Comments on headsets

I answered "active Peltor", but is a standard Peltor with
the after market ANR kit installed.

Warren

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Currently use a BOSE cause it came with the plane. Formerly used a Telex
ANR. Regardless with 53 yr old ears and too many planes, guns, engine rooms
etc gotta use every trick to maximize hearing.

/Cheers/Jake

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the eternal outcast I use a plantronics headset with molded earpieces.

Steve Dietrich
DietrichSH@aol.com - sdietric@agsm.ucla.edu

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The Pilot Independence 17-76 which I was fortunate to buy from Henry!
My Bose has been demoted to co-pilot use, which I'll report on next week.
If you're interested, I converted from a plastic to metal handband and
from foam to gel earseals and they've improved the battery and charging
system. Makes quite a difference in quieting and overall useablity IMHO

Jim Ryan

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From: Tony Hale

As I looked at the early results from Andy's recent
poll regarding headsets, I had to scratch my head. I
understand having Bose...they're the best. I
understand having DC...they're the toughest, best
built. I understand LS (what I have)...they're the
most comfortable and best value. I even understand
having Peltor...fold up nicely.

But, what I don't get is Telex. I've tried a couple
of passive Telex units, and they were junk. What it
is about Telex that causes people to own them? I am
truly curious.

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From: JWJAKE@aol.com

I used my Telex until I bought a plane that came with a BOSE.
The Telex ANR is effective and the earphones, if a trifle on
the heavy side, are very comfortable. They are powered by
batteries that last for probably 30 hours making it easy to
move from plane to plane. When I had a malfunction they
fixed it quickly with no questions and upgraded the
headpiece in the process. The price was reasonable.

If the Mooney had not come with the BOSE, including
the integrated power connection would still be happily
using the Telex. In fact come to think about it the
BOSE boom mike refuses to stay in the correct position
and have been getting lots of gripes from Wife (and
some from ATC) about cutting out-never
had a single mike prob with the Telex.

Under similar circumstances would buy another Telex.

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From: Nancy & Warren <99QB@home.com>

I had an opportunity to use a Bose X in a Seneca. I was
surprised at the noise level when the ANR was turned off.

Warren

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From: Mooneymite@aol.com

FWIW think Telex are the best I've tried, I can't keep
the Bose on my head, they want to slip off and the mike
won't stay put. I have the Echelon 100 in the back & the
anr 150's upfront. Maybe i've sniffed too much Krylon.

Don

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From: "Marty Petri"

In some recent posts, Steve Dietrich talked about light weight
headset from Plantronics. I purchased an equivalent from
Telex. I have found these to be very comfortable with an
excellent mic. The only problem is that the 'lil box clips on
the side of my eyeglasses. Well if I take off my glasses to
attach the headset, I can't see what I'm doing.......
Talk about problems!

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From: "Loren D. Jones"

Telex also have the best microphone in the business.

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From: Steve Mottin

One man's trash is another man's treasure. I've owned my
Telex ANR 4000s for about 5 years. Paid less than $400 for
them. I've tried both the Bose Series II and Series X
headsets as wells as the LightSpeed ANR headsets. In
my opinion the BOSE 'X' is totally useless as a passive
headset, in fact, I think that they made the darn things
resonant at low frequencies just so that the ANR effect
would be more dramatic. With the ANR inactive the low
frequencies are amplified to the point that it's worse than
no headset at all. As another poster commented there is no
better microphone than the Telex, I agree. I will buy
Telex again.

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From: Tony Hale

To be fair, I've never tried one of the newer ANR
Telex units. Lots of folks I know like them, I could
never figure why. I'll have to give the newer style
Telex's a listen some time. Nothing I've ever tried
even comes close to the comfort of Lightspeeds though.
Only thing bad about them is the chincy mic.

--- From: Redgold81@aol.com

I use the lightweight TELEX Anr in my Mooney, I think
it is a model 500? Very small, very light, very comfortable,
adequate noise reduction.

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From: "Max Bennett"

There's another problem, Marty. - the Telex 5X5 Pro3 is so light you
forget it's there. After landing, when you hop onto the left wing, you
suddenly lose either the headset, or the glasses, or both. When it
happened to me the clip broke off the box. Telex wants $75 to fix it.

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From: "Marty Petri"

Well I hop onto the right wing. I usually unplug the headset and stuff the
ends in my pants pocket. The other day I was getting very strange looks
From the bank teller. When I got home I realized I still had them on! Now
that's "Light Weight & Comfort"!

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From: Jody_Voss@Dell.com

When I learned to fly in 1980 most folks weren't using headsets, at least
where I was training. My first was a Telex 5x5II and it worked very well
until it fell onto a wet runway after a gear-up landing (that's another
story). Apparently the mic got wet and failed right after that. I never got
it fixed and gave it away but now I wish I had one. With earplugs they work
well, especially in the rear seats of a quiet plane like my PFM. Anyone
have an old (working) unit like that they want to part with?

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From: Eddie Whitman

Mine may be too light . . . The last time I hopped out I missed the
whole damn wing.

I felt like a fool in front of the beautiful FBO ladies, so decided to add
fishing weights to each side. The weights helped each time thereafter.

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From: "Fred Silverman"

About 7 years ago I bought the first of the inexpensive Telex ANR sets the
4000. I paid $350 for it with a leather carrying case. Last year I sent it
back to Telex when the mic came off the boom. It cost $100 but came back
like brand new unit with a new reinforced headband and a new recessed power
switch with a new on light. They fold up nicely, are comfortable with the
gel seals and work well with the ANR on. The 6 AA batteries seem to last
forever. What is there not to like?

Now I agree that the old passive Telex headsets don't seem to screen out any
noise. They came with the plane and are in the back seat for the occasional
passenger sitting there.

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From: "Vaughn *"

My wife and I just did side by side comparisons of the new Telex ANR-1D with
the Lightspeed 25XL on a recent trip to Florida from Salt Lake City, UT.

We looked at the data for all headsets - passive-, active-reduction, cost,
weight, # of batteries, life of batteries, etc. and selected the LS 25XL and
the ANR-1D on that basis for comparison.

Between these two, we both liked the comfort and noise cancelling of the
ANR-1D better (a battle did ensue, fortunately she was closer to the door
and we were over the Rockies, so I got to wear them). The ANR-1D was MUCH
harder on twice as many batteries but, it does have an optional power cord.
Price was about the same. The mike was tinnier in the Telex and the
battery/control box much more unwieldy.

We now have two ANR-1D's. That may sound exorbitant but, I have to tell you
that once you try them, you will NOT be able to resist them. Noise level
and stress have gone to nothing.

I am a died in the wool DC 10-20 guy with limited funds but when I tried
these ANR's, my 10-20's were instantly relegated to the passenger section.

One other thought, the ANR-1D gives a readout at the mike as to the interior
noise level. In our 78J with some sound proofing we registered between 109
and 114 decibels (114 in high cruise). Temporary hearing damage comes at
around 84 db. If your passive headset only covers 20-22 db, that means
you're most likely hearing 90 decibels after passive reduction. The ANR-1D
is actively hunting different noises and claims to reduce up to 30 db on top
of the standing 20 passive. After 20 hours with these on my head, I can
honestly profess that a 50 db reduction seems plausible.

We also tried this headset in our 77 C-150 and a friend's Beech Sierra. The
db levels there were close to 109 in both of those planes.

These headsets have doubled our flying pleasure. Money well spent.

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From: "Michael Reilly"

>> What it is about Telex that causes people to own them? I am
>> truly curious.

Each brand of headset is designed for a specific "fit". A friend of mine
has a head which appears to be outside of Dave Clark's design parameters.
Telex fits him perfectly. Another friend of mine also has a Telex headset
which I think he is happy with but I've not asked him what he likes about
the Telex.

Bose, at least the original design, do not fit my wife. She can't wear them
for more than 30 - 45 minutes. Dave Clark's fit her perfectly. She has
worn the DC's for more than 4 hours without any problems. Both brands fit
me fine.

I think fit, more than anything else, determines which brand you prefer.

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From: "John W. Slaughter"

I have both the LightSpeed 15K and the 20K units. Both needed repair as
the wiring in and out of the battery box shorts (LightSpeed's description of
the problem). One good thing, both were repaired free of charge by
LightSpeed with only a one day turnaround. The 15Ks were out of warranty but
they insisted on fixing it for free. They also replaced a worn ear piece at
no charge.

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From: "Jim and Debbie Ott"

Until about a week ago, I used a battery pack Telex ANR 4000. They fit my
noggin well. They actually were more functional before I sent them in for a
repair about 3 years ago. They were out of warranty, but they charged me
only $60. When I got them back, they had basically been upgraded to the
"new" model. They changed the mechanism that makes them more loose or tight
on your noggin. Now, at least on my head, they are only sorta loose and up
to real loose! Passive protection is not very good. ANR mode still is
pretty good though. I just bought a LS 20K-R on the advice of a few on this
list. They are a "reconditioned" set of 20's that have been sent in for
trade up to the new 25XL. They are lighter than the Telex 4000's, much
better passive AND ANR IMHO. The mike does not stay in position quite as
well as the Telex, but seems good though. This "reconditioned" unit had new
everything and worked very well, and were like $279 or so. I'll take nearly
four of these over the Bose any day.

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From: ronnie

I apologize for not knowing the model numbers I'm referring to, but...
until 2 weeks ago I have been using my trusty old Telex ANR headsets.
They are one of the original ones and were like $800. I really liked
them. The noise reduction was very good, and the one time I had a
problem, I sent them to Telex, and they fixed them and sent them back, even
though it was a year out of warranty.

A couple of weeks ago I bought my TLS, and it had some weird David Clark
headset in it with a special DIN connector. It seems like the noise
reduction might be build into the panel or something? Anyway, I can't stand them!

With the ANR turned on, I can only hear ATC when I crank the radio
volume all the way up, then my passenger (who is using my nice old Telex set)
gets their ears blown out! Plus, whenever I turn my head there
is a squeal in the left ear. It seems like the kind of squeal I would
get with my Telex when I took off the headsets without turning off the ANR.
Also, it is hard to hear myself talking on the radio. I've found that if you use
just the right tone and volume, ATC will treat you better. Now I can't fine tune
my voice on the radio. The person who sold me the plane doesn't know
much about it, since his partner was more of the avionics guy (this guy
used the hand mic!).

So, can anyone tell me what this special connector deal is and how it
works? Does the headset make a difference? What can I do?

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Some of us are using passive sets with the Headsets, Inc. module.
That's not really covered in the poll. (I know: listing all possible
headsets would yield a poll that's thirty pages long!)

By the way, thanks for running these: they're fun!

Alan M. Marcum
Rhino Aviation
amm@RhinoAviation.com

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From: Redgold81@aol.com

>> Lightspeed ANR: 20 (21%) >>

Looks like LS has done a heck of a job in selling their wares regardless of
the hit on their microphone. If they would put the good Telex mic on their
headsets, they might corner 50% of the market ?

Bill

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